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  • 5:11PM - Oct 27, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    Part of my post got cut, I wanted to point out that surely everyone gains from higher MOI, as long as other playability factors are not being hurt.

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  • 4:58PM - Oct 27, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    The 11 year old Maxfli Torque Arm’s look like very good irons for a high ball hitter. They have strong loft, 25* 5 iron, 1116MPF. Too bad they´re not available anywhere. MOI of 16 seems incredibly high(Wilson irons have VERY high MOI)!

    I think something like the torque arms, with slightly higher CG, and even higher MOI, possibly higher C dimensions(even though those are very high) and very little offset being incredible for hard/high hitters. Maybe also “no fat shot” proof wide soles and a progressive size/shape design:) I personally also like sound absorbing polymers, the fusion wide soles feel/sound like you´re hitting cotton:)

    High hitters with fast swing speeds like me may hit it to high(and spin too much) with very low CG. But every surely gains from higher MOI.

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  • 7:25AM - Oct 12, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    keyser, all three center of gravity locations are used in calculating MPF since they each affect one another. I always need to measure the horizontal center of gravity to get the “C” Dimen sion and the rearward center of gravity to find the actual vertical center of gravity. Even though two of them have a different weight in the final calculation (rearward and vertical), they are both interdependant on one another to some degree.

    I think from a shaft fitting standpoint, we need to always be aware how far back the rearward center of gravity is. Particularly looking for significant differences for which a compensation in tip stiffness might be warrranted.

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  • 7:12AM - Oct 12, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    keyser, yes, the rearward center of gravity location is also very important and I should have included it with vertical center of gravity. The offset does have some effect but it is more minor than most people think, but nevertheless, it is a factor. So below is my updated statement from yesterday’s response regarding the factors that have an effect on the loft of irons.

    “If I had to put them in order, loft is number one in controlling trajectory, the vertical center of gravity and the rearward center of gravity is number two, the shaft is number three, the clubhead weight and club length together is number four and the face progression (offset) is number five”.

    Some of you (both keyser and sonoma9600 come to mind, but there are a number of others) are reading and studying my books very closely, thus I really need to think out my answers thoroughly and carefully, which is always my goal.

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  • 7:16PM - Oct 11, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    Another question for you Ralph. For those that have no problem with getting the ball airborn. High swingspeed players that hit it high, should VCOG maybe factor a bit less in the points than MPF?

    I hit the ball very high, but my most common mi**** is a thin hit. Extremely low CG will hurt with high ball flight, but help with a thin shot… very confusing :)

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  • 7:36AM - Oct 11, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    Ralph, the R***(and offset) must also play a big role in dynamic loft. The shaft will want to bend towards the CG and the deeper the RCOG the more the dynamic loft?

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  • 7:20AM - Oct 11, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    sonoma9600, as you know, when an iron gets up into the 1100 point MPF range, it will usually have a very low center of gravity. Obviously, the very low center of gravity promotes a clubhead where it is much easier to get the ball in the air for the average golfer. A very strong player without the ability to bring the trajectory down (if they wanted to do this) will possibly hit the ball too high. About the only thing to do here is to go with Dynamic X-100 or stiffer shafts, but they will only help so much.

    So, you are correct in that the lofts could be reduced in the design and this would help greatly, but this would be counterproductive to the intent of the design in the first place.

    If I had to put them in order, loft is number one in controlling trajectory, the vertical center of gravity is number two, the shaft is number three and the clubhead weight and club length together is number four.

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  • 1:08PM - Oct 10, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    I really don´t think the lofts have to be that extremely strong. I hit the Hybrid ST´s about a club shorter than blades I compared them to with the same loft. So that´s about 3 degrees it would have to be bent. The ST´s have a lot of offset and a very deep RCOG, and that must promote quite a bit more dynamic loft. If they had much less offset and slightly stronger lofts, I don´t think VCOG and RCOG would have to be changed a huge deal to make them wicked low launching easy to hit irons. I think it´s possible to design irons with extremely high MPF, but still don´t balloon. Especially with a titanium face(could have huge MOI etc.)

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  • 2:10AM - Oct 10, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    Correct me if I’m wrong Ralph, but it’s probably impossible to create a lower launching iron with an MPF at 1100, without jacking the lofts rediculously strong.

    KE4 tours are the answer for the higher launch and spin player, looking for a very forgiving design.

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  • 12:54AM - Oct 10, 2008RE: Women's clubs

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    Long C and large MOI…. lower launching. What you really are after is a low offset version ? In the shorter irons, the offset on the ST/Gliders are not that big, or? And in the longer irons, why not go for the trouble out hybrid ? No offset and extreeme in C/COG)...

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