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JedJohnson7491 32 October 7, 2023 0 Comments

Last year I purchased a used set of Ping S58 irons. They had TTDG S300 shafts, which were too heavy for me. About that same time I had a iron fitting and was fit to Ping G425’s with the Alta CB AWT R shafts (65 gm I believe), D0 SW. Because I like the S58 heads so much, I called Ping and they said they could re-shaft my S58’s with the AWT shaft. I was so excited I forgot all about my swing weight requirements. The S58’s came back from Ping with SW’s ranging from C4.7 (4-i) to C8.9 (W) which seems too light to me.

I’d like to reweight these clubs but am somewhat perplexed with the proper way to approach the process. I was planning on pulling the shafts without destroying the ferrules and tip-cutting the shafts to install the GW0121 tungsten weights. But in plotting my course of action I see that unless I remove the existing ferrules off I’m going to have problems tipping the shafts the 1/4″ for the tungsten weight heads.

I really do not want to mess up these shafts in the ferrule area. Any wisdom anyone can provide on the best way to proceed would be greatly appreciated!

P.S. Also, should I use the Ping-specific ferrules (BB9108 .520″ OD)?

Thank you!

Britt Lindsey Answered question October 9, 2023

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Answer 1 · 2023-10-09T08:42:02+00:00

First, I am assuming you have hit them and they do feel too light. If not, you should play with them as they are first. The swing weight is just a reflection of the lighter shaft effecting the weight that is on the head side of the fulcrum point on a swing weight scale. The percentage of total weight of the head to the overall club weight is actually more now with the lighter shafts. That being said, swing weight is an indicator of club head feel. If they do feel light when you swing them and you don’t like that, then you can try increasing the swing weight. Personally, and before I started trying to remove the graphite shafts and cutting the shaft, etc., I would simply apply some lead tape to the back and then see if that improves the feel and performance. If it does, you can either leave it, which I have never had a problem with, or remove the lead tape and decide on how you want to increase the swing weight internally. I do think that removing the shafts will most likely result in some damaged ferrules and could possibly result in damaging the shafts. You might contact Ping again and see if they could re-swing weight them for you. They used weights in the back cavity to final swing weight. Kind of surprised they did not make you aware of this when they agreed to re-shaft. If you do decide to attempt to pull the shafts and use tip weights, there are options besides the rubber tungsten weights. If you use those or another type of tip weight, the addition to the length of the club without trimming either the tip end or the butt end should be only 1/8-1/4″. Might not be worth doing all the trimming, but you can.

Try the lead tape first.

Britt Lindsey

On the ferrule, we don’t think the S58’s used a collared ferrule, but don’t know for sure. You can use a standard type ferrule like a 89TI or 91TI, but would have to turn it down slightly to be flush with the hosel. The S56 did use the collared ferrule, but it is 3 years newer than the S58 and we just don’t remember Ping using collared ferules back in 2006 when the S58’s came out.
Britt Lindsey
Britt, I have tried the lead tape method and I found that I still hit these clubs well with them at D0. The main issue I’m having with the light SW is that it doesn’t match with the other clubs I use (i.e. woods, wedges). I will hit the S58’s well then go to my gap wedge (which I have reweighted to D1) and just “stick it in the ground” – same with woods. Also, the G425’s I “fit” to had the same shaft and were D0. I’m not sure “how that works”, meaning “why would the G425’s work at D0 and not the S58’s” – wouldn’t reweighting the S58’s yield the same result? What becomes too head heavy for a club to function properly?

Your expertise is greatly appreciated.
Did the G425’s come originally with the graphite? If they did I am sure Ping swing weighted them for that shaft. Are the G425’s and the S58’s the same length? Your S58’s were originally steel shafts and swing weighted by Ping accordingly. When they re-shafted the S58’s with the lighter graphite they obviously did not re-swing weight them. From what you’re telling me that is what I am guessing. As far as adding too much weight, the amounts needed to get to a swing weight you are comfortable with shouldn’t be too much. However, I would caution you not to get so caught up in the swing weight number. You say you have used the lead tape and like D0. So you know the number on the irons. As far as the wedge being a D1 and you stick it in the ground, my guess (or opinion) is that has nothing to do with a 1 swing weight point variance. Most SW’s are heavier than the remainder of the set, more so than one swing weight, but it all depends on the head weight and length of the club compared the PW, GW, etc. Lastly, I certainly do not worry if a hybrid, or fairway wood or driver has the same swing weight as my irons. They may, but totally different in their builds and components. There will be a swing weight in those clubs that works for you, but it may not be the same as your irons. You just have to go with the components and fit that work for you and the swing weight will be what it is.
Britt Lindsey