There are specific trim instructions for the Score shafts. If trimming for a Stiff flex, you would use our code IR11. If we are building the clubs, just give us the instruction on how yo want us to trim. The specific flex and of course your final playing length. If you want to modify the trim from what is the recommended, you need to note that in the instructions. There is room to tip trim more if you want the S to play stiffer. If you wanted to trim an additional 1/2″ to 1″, you could. 1/2″ more would be a strong stiff. 1″ would be close to an X I think. There is room to do it on the Score as long as you not making the paying lengths way overlength. these shafts are tip trimmed for flex and then after tip trimming, butt cut to final playing length.
The KE4 Max Forged irons should be available in the next 10 to 14 days. A few heads were delayed but they have shipped, so we should have full sets available in a couple of weeks.
Britt Lindsey
Hi Britt,
Resurfacing this one, were you able to get to the bottom of it?
How would the KE4 TC Pro compare given its rating of 4455, is it on the higher end of forgiveness for a low spin 440cc driver?
Should make it as stiff as possible, like a tour stiff. I have found it to be a solid performer. Britt calls the Score a “workhorse” shaft. I think it launches nice and will stand up to fast swings and quick transitions.
Go Score tip trimmed to length, or just get a 7 iron to test if you are uncertain. I came from DG s300 hard stepped and have not looked back.
Generally speaking, for the conditions in Florida you described, the S grind is what I would consider. It is for neutral to firmer conditions and probably would be the choice for most good to better players with neutral to shallower attack angles (not steep) that like to manipulate the face open some on shots around the greens. The Max wedges are great and nothing wrong with staying with what works, but the DRT’s are really good too and if you just want to try something new, I don’t think you would be disappointed.
Britt Lindsey
Difficult for me to be unbiased because I think all of our irons feel great. Feel is such an important part of what we strive for in any of our designs. That being said, the mass and dimensional characteristics ultimately determine how forgiving an iron will be and contribute to the overall feel as well, especially on off center hits. Our most forgiving, based on the MPF numbers, is the KE4 MAX iron. I think for an Ultra Game Improvement club it feels as good as any we have done. It is so stable it literally feels like a soft material (carbon steel) iron even though it is cast from from 17-4 stainless. Cast, forged, different materials really don’t matter since we can heat treat any material to create a feel that one might not expect from the material, but the perception is that Investment cast from a 17-4 would not feel as soft as a forged carbon steel head. Not the case, in my opinion, on the KE4 Max.
I really like our TS line, all of them. The TS3 has been our best seller, the new TS3.5 should do as well, and the TS4, TS1-IM, and TE+ all feel fantastic. The newest KE4 Forged, which we just got in, may be the most surprising. One of our guys (Pete, who did the design) has played it the last few rounds and he said it’s “unbelievable”. Says it’s long, but trajectory is still normal even with the stronger lofts and feels like a true forged iron, which it is. I’ve hit it too, and it is really good, and long, and feels great.
So, I would consider what you need from a forgiveness standpoint, then consider what you prefer to look at, and then make your choice to try one. Try a #7 iron first, before investing in the whole set. Everyone is different when it comes to feel, so you want to be sure the feel, and performance, is what you are looking for. I will add that no matter what you choose, it should feel and perform better than your old Hogans. I’m a big Hogan fan, but we have come a long way in what we know about iron design, and those, along with a lot of irons of that era were simply not as playable as many designs we see today.
Britt Lindsey
In comparing the profiles of the MPF Pro Series+ S flex and the Tensei CK Blue S flex 60 version (compared the 65 since you didn’t give me the weight), the MPF is slightly firmer in the butt section and the tip section. So, that might be a good choice based on what you’re looking for. I compared the X flexes as well and the Tensei CK Blue X Flex 60 is actually slightly firmer in the butt section, but the MPF is slightly firmer in the tip section. I only have data on the AV RAW White X flex and it is firmer in the butt and mid sections than the MPF, but they are similar in tip stiffness.
If you have the CK Blue 70 gram version, the MPF is still slightly firmer when comparing the CK 70 S to the MPF 67 S.
Hope this helps.
Britt Lindsey
Just throwing this out there on a good round way to get your swing speed by yardage is your yards divided by 2.7, or if you know your swing speed and want to confirm how optimal your drive really is X your swing speed my 2.7. Hopefully that makes sense. If your path and club face positions and strike on face are all mostly good on your hits your distance of say 280 as an average should mean you are swinging in the area of 104. 290 is 107, and 270 is 100. Remember that is if you are hitting your driver in near perfect conditions. I know I am doing something wrong with my driving as I swing 115-120 with my driver and am only getting 280-300, I should be getting more than that for sure. I believe my problem is I am not getting the peak ball height and am a little lower than optimal in ball flight. I would love to fix that but at the same time my driver is mostly consistently going straight, so why mess that up with a change. Sorry about the ramble on that.
Also just to finish off, I was fit for a 5W like a decade ago and the fitter told me; unless you want to pay to get fit into all of your long clubs individually than a good rule of thumb is to use that same shaft you were fit into in all of your other long clubs. Or if you were never fit but do like a shaft feel and performance in one club it should perform relatively the same for other clubs. Using that shaft you are already enjoying and confident in while in one club should inspire your confidence with it in another. Sorry again for the ramble and if it is hard to make sense of, I have worked like a month straight with no days off and still don’t have one until the 9th. Thought process is in need of some vacation time, lol.
The most forgiving for me has been the KE4 Max. If your looking for feel which is always subjective, the TS line up. The TE+ is also a very nice head.