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2.64K viewsApril 6, 2023

Nick 86 April 5, 2023 0 Comments

With the TE+ being a 2024 release, should I be buying a few sets of standard TE Forged irons to keep in reserve if the standard TE is going away this year? I saw the TE+ post in February about “modern specifications” and I have to echo the comments made there by other people being very concerned about jacking lofts. Even the “blade” TS4 that’s coming is a 45* PW, correct? I think it would be cool to tune the TE up with the 4-way sole and a modern cavity aesthetic. But keep the lofts, offset, head weights, blade length and top line without any hollow face stuff.

I was looking at other brands’ players cavity backs that are known for their great irons. TaylorMade P7MC, Wilson Staff CB, Titleist T100 and CB, and Ping i230 Retro Spec all run 23/24, 34/35, and 46/47 degree 4i/7i/PW. So, keeping the current TE lofts wouldn’t be something crazy old and outdated and unique thing to Golfworks if Ping, TaylorMade, Wilson Staff, and Titleist are doing it with their players cavity backs. To me, the TE series was always set apart from the other Maltby sets. The analogy I go with is that the Maltby TS1 and TS4 are the Titelist T100/200 series with “modernizations” and tech and the Maltby TE being the Titleist CB that’s set apart as traditional but forgiving.

I hope this doesn’t come across as whiny or rude. I certainly don’t mean it that way. I know the loft stuff always comes up. I just wanted to provide my product feedback and as a loyal customer of Golfworks. Thanks!

theblake7 Answered question April 6, 2023

2 Answers

Answer 1 · 2023-04-06T21:47:39+00:00

I am with you Nick, i will likely buy another set of DBM for my future set for the same reasons. I really dont want 6 wedges in my bag, its too hard to shape shots with a wedge head ( i am not bubba). Tiger Woods only has 3 Wedges in his bag i think he might be on to something.

Also the newer models are 3 gram lighter heads, thus need longer shafts, making the irons go even further. They are also becoming more upright.

This further compresses the loft gaps in the long irons, and the weight gaps in short irons.

for sure a good clubmaker can adjust weight, lie and loft, but there is only so far he can go before the dynamics of the head are changed too much.

Answer 2 · 2023-04-06T17:00:16+00:00

Britt Lindsey 10.26K Posted April 5, 2023 3 Comments

Appreciate the comments. First, we have not decided if the original TE will go away or we will keep around as a legacy model. As far as the specs on the TE+. they will be stronger, similar to the TS1 irons. Although I do understand that some players prefer the more traditional lofts, every year that group gets smaller and smaller. Still, the reason we may keep around the originals.

Thanks again for the feedback.

Britt Lindsey

JimHarrington Edited comment April 7, 2023

theblake7 commented April 6, 2023

Would this new TE+ require “retooling” in the factory which i understand costs $1000 a head? If not then does making the lofts stronger change the offsets and bounce, and therefore making it less of a problem for us to bend them back weaker again

Britt Lindsey commented April 7, 2023

The TE+ is a totally new design, requiring new tooling. Tooling for a a true forged head, the way we do it, is more than what you listed. Significantly more. An investment cast tooling is more than $1000. The bounce and lofts will be appropriate for the design. You can bend them weaker and increase the bounce, just like you can on any iron. If the new 6 iron is 28 deg. with 3 degrees of bounce, you can bend it to 30 degrees and have 5 degrees of bounce. The measured offset might change a little since the offset is measured from the leading edge of the hosel to the leading edge of the face, but the hosel transition into the heel of the club will still look the same.

Britt Lindsey

JimHarrington commented April 7, 2023

Britt, you’ve highlighted some of the problems with loft creep — each small on its own, but they add up. We can bend back a forged iron but then we (1) risk marring the hosel, (2) add bounce, (3) change the leading edge, and (4) add (bending) to the cost of the final product.

I love everything about the TS1-IM, except the lofts. Magnificent technology, but now we are introducing a gap between the gap wedge and sand wedge on top of the other issues. In my view, excluding the 3-iron, every other iron in that set will need weakened by 1-2 degrees.

The TS4 will have none of these problems, so I wait. Ironically, as a blade, it is the design that most easily accepts the issues associated with bending.