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3.39K viewsAugust 31, 2022

JedJohnson7491 32 August 27, 2022 2 Comments

I’m 74 and played to a 2 hdcp for years. When we retired and moved I had moved into the 3-4 hdcp range. Since then I’ve been playing TS-1’s with TT Elevate 95 R. My handicap is now up around 10. This shaft was recommended at the last local fitting I took. Most of the time I’ve had these clubs I’ve been struggling with fat shots, thin shots, and very toe heavy shots. Recently found a used set of Ping’s with TT DG stiff. Two range sessions and I haven’t hit a fat shot, thin shot or toe shot and am striking the ball well sgain. SW on the Pings are D1. TS-1s are similar.

Britt Lindsey Answered question August 31, 2022

JedJohnson7491 commented August 27, 2022

Anyone have any thoughts on why this could be happening. I’m not sure TT DG’ are gonna be good for my sore shoulders

Rlafoone commented August 28, 2022

Swing weight?

4 Answers

Anyone have any thoughts on why this could be happening. I’m not sure TT DG’ are gonna be good for my sore shoulders

Answer 1 · 2022-08-31T14:58:44+00:00

Difficult to match the same “feel” when going from a standard weight shaft to a lighter weight shaft. TT implies that the lighter weight DG product is the same, and it does produce the same types of ball flight, but it does not feel the same. Alloys used in producing the lighter weight steel shafts are different and thus feel different. At least that is my experience, both personally and working with a lot of players. Probably going to have to do some experimenting to find the best combination of weight and feel for you. Might look at the Nippon product. Best consistency in steel in the market, in my opinion.

Britt Lindsey

Answer 2 · 2022-08-28T15:48:57+00:00

JimHarrington 151 Posted August 28, 2022 0 Comments

When you say “used set of Pings” could you be more specific?

JimHarrington Answered question August 28, 2022

Answer 3 · 2022-08-28T08:47:27+00:00

statechamp 738 Posted August 28, 2022 1 Comment

It could be a swingweight issue, possibly a balance point difference between the two shafts.

just thinking out loud here but could the TS1 just not be forgiving enough for you? Are the pings a game improvement head or a players type heads?

if you have issues after golfing (sore shoulders, hands, or wrists) graphite is usually the answer for that. If you’re used to steel shafts then look no further then the steel fiber. It’s gonna feel and play the same way as your old school steel shafts.

Bryceslu Edited comment August 28, 2022

Bryceslu commented August 28, 2022

I second statechamp with balance point. To me the most important swing feel is where the weight is distributed in the shaft. Swing a kbs tour and normal/classic project X shaft back to back to see what I mean.
I could swing any club head in a kbs tour and I will struggle after playing project x for 10 years.

From what I’ve been told from clubfitters is the project x weight is more in the grip end and from personal experience there are not a lot of shafts like this. To me it allows me to feel the weight of the club head more or the club head feels heavier.
Usually why you get a love or hate response when you ask good golfers if they like project x shafts.

Short version is to me this is more important to how good a club feels to swing and in turn how I swing it than flex or weight of the shaft. Meaning how I strike the ball. Now actual shot shape or results are completely different based on the obvious factors of flex, kick point, etc…but none of those things impact my ability to find the center of the club face like weight distribution in the shaft.

Answer 4 · 2022-08-27T21:28:59+00:00

theblake7 437 Posted August 27, 2022 5 Comments

Is shaft length the same?

JedJohnson7491 Posted new comment August 30, 2022

JedJohnson7491 commented August 28, 2022

Yes shaft lengths are the same. Lies are the same too.

JedJohnson7491 commented August 28, 2022

Yes swing weights are the same: D1
Probably need to check lies. Pings are Orange dot (2* flat). TS-1’s are set to 1.5* flat on my machine – the GW Economy Loft/Lie. That machine reads 1* too upright which I’ve attempted to account for.

JedJohnson7491 commented August 28, 2022

Pings are S58, Orange dot. Also, in addition to the TT DG S300 shaft band, they have a Ping WRX shaft band right below the grip. I hadn’t heard of that before even though I played Eyes for years.

JimHarrington commented August 28, 2022

I don’t post here much but can’t resist a good mystery. I went through a similar process recently (retiring). This allowed me to play more. (That can be good or bad.).

So let’s see if we can summarize the changes:

+. Stronger (TS-1) lofts with considerably less bounce in the short irons compared to the S58.
+. Much lighter overall club weight (perhaps 20-30 grams) for the same club length. With constant swing weight this generates a big difference in feel. If the DG shafts were standard weight this would almost feel like changing to graphite.
+. You are older. (Any changes in conditioning?)
+. Any changes on where you are playing in retirement? (I went from flat to hilly, and that presented much more difficult ball positions.)

Is the degradation more in the short irons, long irons, or the entire set?

With what has been posted I am going to guess that you are wrestling with replicating the same rhythm in your swing. Those sets should feel significantly different. You may be getting quick when you transition to the downswing with the TS-1 irons, losing control. As we age this is something to keep in mind.

JedJohnson7491 commented August 30, 2022

Thanks to all who replied!

I’ve tried the TTDG 105 S300’s but didn’t find them to have the same feel (regardless of what TT says).

At this point what is the best way for me to match the TTDG S300 in a lighter weight shaft? (There is only one shaft in the MPF database with a 3C1M or 4C1M rating – the TTDG R300/S300).